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John Carmack: In Context?
Posted by wtburnette | on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 06:10 AM EST
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I'm confused. I read a nice interview that GameSpy did with John Carmack of id, that had this blurb in it about video cards:

"There are interesting things to be said about the upcoming cards, but NDAs will force me to just discuss the available cards.


In order from best to worst for Doom:

I still think that overall, the GeForce 4 Ti is the best card you can buy. It has high speed and excellent driver quality.

Based on the feature set, the Radeon 8500 should be a faster card for Doom than the GF4, because it can do the seven texture accesses that I need in a single pass, while it takes two or three passes (depending on details) on the GF4. However, in practice, the GF4 consistently runs faster due to a highly efficient implementation. For programmers, the 8500 has a much nicer fragment path than the GF4, with more general features and increased precision, but the driver quality is still quite a ways from Nvidia's, so I would be a little hesitant to use it as a primary research platform."


This says exactly what I've always heard, even though the hardware on the ATI Radeon 8500 is superior, the drivers still leave something to be desired, even now.

Now today, I stumble across an article on MSNBC and find this little gem:

"Doom III is very much hardware driven, and one of the controversies of this year’s E3 was that the game was demonstrated on the latest ATI graphics card rather than a card from NVidia.
"NVidia has been stellar in terms of driver quality and support and doing all of the things right,” says Carmack, who has been an outspoken evangelist for NVidia’s GeForce technology. “For the past few years, they have been able to consistently outplay ATI on every front. The problem is that they are about one-half step out of synch with the hardware generation because they did Xbox instead of focusing everything on their next board. So they are a little bit behind ATI.”
“I told everyone that I was going to demonstrate Doom III on the best hardware, and there has been no collusion or kickbacks or anything like that going on. Our objective is the technical merit.”
“The new ATI card was clearly superior. I don’t want to ding NVidia for anything because NVidia has done everything they possibly could; but in every test we ran, ATI was faster.”

I don't know about you, but I'm confused about which card is the best. Read both articles, then hit our forums to discuss.

Source: Gamespy.com and MSNBC.com
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Re: John Carmack: In Context? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on May 30, 2002 - 03:18 AM
Actually....I just read over at Firing Squad...that Carmack is really really impressed and happy with the Matrox Parhelia-512. I think the Parhelia is much better then the GF4 and the Radeons. Carmack had only good things to say about the card. That is probably the card he couldn't discuss due to NDA at the time.


Re: John Carmack: In Context? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Jun 08, 2002 - 01:19 PM
What is there to be confused about?

For DOOM III, the best card that is currently available in the marketplace is the GF4TI. Carmack can't comment on the next gen chips because of NDAs.

When doing the E3 demo, they used the best card currently available to ID - a beta/sample of ATI's next chip.

What we _don't_ know, is which of the next generation cards that is best. ID might have chosen ATI because it really is the best of the next gen, or because the other chips are not available in samples yet or there are driver/stability/performance issues with them.

So all we really know is that G4TI is the best current card, and that the next gen ATI is the fastest of the next gen cards that are stable enough to run a demo of DOOM III.




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